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Target sued over web site design being inaccessible

Seeded on Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:19 PM EDT
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It looks like web designers are going to be scrambling to ensure that they aren't sued because their web site is inaccessible to the blind. A recent lawsuit in National Federation of the Blind (NFB) vs Target Corp., which the plaintiff. BJ Sexton, is suing Target for not making their web site accessible to the blind. Although I believe that web sites should be accessible to the blind a lawsuit seems unnecessary and now that it has been approved by a judge that they can be sued other suits are sure to follow which is going to cause chaos in the web design/development world.

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Shpigford

Chris from WebsitePublisher has a great response to this here.

He ultimately is saying that this whole case should have been thrown out because Mr. Sexton took the path of "most resistance." There are tasks that everybody has trouble doing whether it's lifting something heavy or having to make a 3 hour trip to get to the closest grocery store, but everybody (handicapped or not) figures out the path of "least resistance" to handle that. Just because something is heavy we don't go and sue the maker of the contents in that box, we get help to lift it. Just because the grocery store is 3 hours away, we don't sue Safeway for not building a store close to us.

Mr. Sexton is suing Target when he could have use any number of other avenues to get what he needed.

  • 15 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:09 AM EDT
gnoleb

This is ridiculous.

The blind guy should be punished for a frivilous lawsuit.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:40 AM EDT
jimi

I agree. There are limits to sanity and any judge who doesn't throw this out immediately is also out of their respective gourd. If this passes, not only would ALL websites be subject to lawsuits, but any print medium at all. Why not sue magazines too for not having braille editions?

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:57 PM EDT
RichardG

Some magasines I read are now starting to put their content online for people who subscribe. A whole new market of people who can't read the print version opens up to you.

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:17 PM EDT
Jason Coleman

If this passes, not only would ALL websites be subject to lawsuits…

No more than your home is currently required to meet ADA standards.

  • 1 vote
#2.3 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:29 PM EDT
Rigbee Dugane

I wonder why all magazines aren't required to publish Braille editions. Or are they?

    #2.4 - Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:54 AM EDT
    Jason Coleman

    No, to my knowledge there is no law that requires all magazines (or pretty much any magazine) to be published in Braille (or in audio format). However, if sites are made properly accessible and have similar content, the internet has the ability to open up virtually every publication to the disabled with the use of readers (both Braille and audio readers).

    I'm curious, I see a lot of people stating they are web developers here. Do you really feel that the web is the same as a static magazine or book, and that the same laws or lack there-of apply? Is a web-based retail site really the same as a mail-order catalog? It seems to me that this is far from the best analogy for the internet.

    • 3 votes
    #2.5 - Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:09 AM EDT
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    Zaki

    I'd love to see his response to a class-action lawsuit demanding that the blinds come up with a super alien technology device that lets them see within the next 1337 hours, and failures to do so mean they must pay up to $1,337,000,000.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:54 AM EDT
    Spuds Stuff

    Another bloody ridiculous law suit. Has the world gone mad! Everyone knows there limitations (handicaped or not) and we all find ways to work around those. One would suggest that surfing the internet is not really for the blind just as there are some activities that are not for me.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#4 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:38 AM EDT
    RichardG

    The difference is that the technology to let blind people read web pages exists. No one is asking them to invent anything new. The Internet is for everyone that wants it.

    • 1 vote
    #4.1 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:19 PM EDT
    Spuds Stuff

    I was being a bit harsh with my comment about the internet not being for the blind. I agree with you Richard that the technology exists to make sites accessible to the blind. What I was really getting at was should site owners be forced to make their sites accessible to all? I agree with the following comment from

    If this passes, not only would ALL websites be subject to lawsuits, but any print medium at all. Why not sue magazines too for not having braille editions?

    What about sites that post audio / video content. Should they be forced to publish sign langugage versions or versions with subtitles so the deaf can enjoy the content to?

    • 1 vote
    #4.2 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:01 PM EDT
    RichardG

    I don't think people should have to provide sign language videos. Even though many deaf people are unable to read English, because sign language is their only language and it bears no resemblence to English. (English is spelt phonetically and that must be a concept that is hard to get your head round if you have never heard the sounds.) I think technology should do most of the work (as screen reading technology does) and we should make our sites compatible with that technology. I'm waiting for translator programs like screen readers that will be able to read English and have an avatar that will do the sign language.

    I'm personally hoping that this will be the only lawsuit and that people aren't rushing out to sue lots of websites. I think something like this was probably needed to make big business take web accessibility seriously. Hopefully they'll get the message and start putting accessibility in their requirements for future website work and upgrades.

    There have been no cases in the UK, but virtually every web magazine I read as an article about how to make your site more accessible. Educating people is far more important than suing them.

    • 1 vote
    #4.3 - Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:37 AM EDT
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    nickobec

    Before you make rash statements, read an balanced article on the subject Arstechnica or Joe Clark (ok he is an accessibility activist, but it looks like he is being retained by Target as one of their experts). The latest court appearance was one argument over a point of law, the case has a lot further to go.

    And remember, once upon a time, people with screen readers could easily use the web, because it was about content not looks.
    Then the img tag was introduced, so people with screen reader and text browsers could still use the web, the alt attribute was included.
    Web designers started using lots of img tags, the smart ones used the alt attribute and made their sites accessible. The lazy (or ignorant) ones did not use the alt attribute.
    Is what techfilter.net and websitepublisher.net saying that web designers are not at fault because they are lazy or ignorant?
    Target created a website that was badly built, NFB asked them to fix it, Target did not do it in six months so court action started.
    This is not rocket science, it is not close captioning videos (time consuming), it is a relatively quick and easy fix to allow people using screenreaders, text browsers and handhelds access to a website.

    Yes I did over simplified, but this is a relatively simple case (in terms of website accessibility)

    • 15 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:28 AM EDT
    munzilla

    I agree that it is easy to make sites accessible to the blind and that Target was lazy in not doing so, but that's not the question here at all. The question is should this guy be allowed to SUE Target? No. Once upon a time, if a business did something wrong, they'd lose business and that fact alone would cause them to change their ways. Now with these frivolous lawsuits, we've got teams of lawyers overlooking every minutia of a company's public presence. It's ridiculous, really.
    So, if you think it's wrong for Target to not make their site accessible (it really is dumb a company that large wouldn't have done so), then boycott them, write letters, etc. and I'm sure they'll change it, AND other companies will see this and follow suit. Is this man owed any money? Absolutely not.

    • 6 votes
    #5.1 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:03 AM EDT
    Leon K

    It's a little more difficult, especially when you consider that there are several layers of web accessibility, each with a sizeable checklist of required items.

      #5.2 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:09 AM EDT
      munzilla

      No, you're right. I'm a web developer myself, but I don't mean it's a 5 minute process. I just would have thought a large company like target would be smart enough to make their website accessible. With most large companies I've done work for, they're all about accessibility whether it be browser, OS, disabilities, or whatever it might be.

      • 3 votes
      #5.3 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:16 AM EDT
      jimi

      True, using the ALT tag is required for compliance with XHTML strict, but fire up lynx and look at some web pages that use ALT tags on every single image (especially for things like bulleted lists)... I do not see how it is very helpful.

        #5.4 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:01 PM EDT
        lvthunder

        Since when is Target or any other company required to make there stuff accessable by everyone. Any smart company would of course because they should want everyone's buisness. Now if this were a government website that is a completly seperate issue.

        • 6 votes
        #5.5 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:00 PM EDT
        gecko85

        The question is should this guy be allowed to SUE Target? No. Once upon a time, if a business did something wrong, they'd lose business and that fact alone would cause them to change their ways.

        Actually, restaurants and other businesses have been successfully sued for not having handicap accessible restrooms. So, there is precedence for private businesses being sued for accessibility issues.

        • 3 votes
        #5.6 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:16 PM EDT
        Tim Baxter

        Jimi, you are required to have an alt tag, but generally the recommendation is that if it's a trivial image, use an empty alt tag.

        Of course, if you're marking up a bulleted list with inline images, for the bullets, you've probably already made a mistake. Much better to mark it up as a bulleted list and use CSS to replace the bullets with the image of your choice.

        • 2 votes
        #5.7 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:27 PM EDT
        gecko85

        What I was really getting at was should site owners be forced to make their sites accessible to all?

        Any real web designer worth his/her salt knows that you don't have to "make" your sites accessible...if you build them correctly from the beginning, they will likely already *be* accessible.

        All the arguments against accessiblility centering on how unfair it is to the site owners, and how they're being forced, yadda, yadda, yadda...they're bunk.

        A baker could bake bread with rat-poison and dirt, but would be "forced" to "make it comply" with FDA standards. If, instead, the baker simply used flour and water, the bread would likely *be* in compliance.

        It's not at all difficult to make a website accessible to screen readers. There are differing levels of accessibility, but basic class A levels are no-brainer simple and are part and parcel with good design anyway.

        The unintended consequence for many of these non-accessible sites is that they are also non-accessible to the biggest blind readers of them all: search engine bots. If Google and Yahoo bots can't "see" your site very well, it's not going to get a very good ranking...unless, of course, you pay out the nose to get it ranked higher.

        • 3 votes
        #5.8 - Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:10 AM EDT
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        drumcat

        Don't shortchange accessibility, lest ye need it and your crying wolf is unheeded.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#6 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:18 AM EDT
        RichardG

        There's no reason why a blind person shouldn't be able to read a web site, unless that site has been made badly. Most web design companies are starting to get the message and are putting in the work to make sites accessible. However some people will only bother with this if they think they have to, and not because it's the right thing to do.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#7 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:27 AM EDT
        Rigbee Dugane

        Perhaps the question is, "Does everyone have a 'right' to view a website?" If so, then not only must all website be adapted for use by the other-abled, but we have to make sure that everyone in the country has access to the Internet.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#8 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:13 AM EDT
        munzilla

        And this would mean that some pimpled kid sitting in his bedroom, making a Warcraft site, or someone who just wants to sell their trinkets online, has to know how to make their sites accessible or else they could be sued. So, we'd pretty much be pushing the less web savvy folks off the web entirely and scaring off small businesses who don't have the money or know-how to develop sites that are up to the w3 standards.

          #8.1 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:19 AM EDT
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          WMK

          This is not frivolous, it's the only form of advocacy that seems to work.

          A lawsuit against Target was needed to goad them into making thier website 'readable' to blind internet users because asking them nicely didn't work. If the law says you have to be accessible then that is what Target should have done from the get go.

          I have used the target website and it is fairly useful, they have to spend a lot of time maintaining it since it serves as an online catalog for most of their products (I usually use it to price check a product and then drive to the nearest Target to pick it up). Since Target was already spending the money for maintenance and design of the site, they might have simply made the web-reader accessibility a design requirement. It isn't technically difficult to do and makes perfect business sense to do it, someone was merely lazy or incompetent in not seeing that it got done especially once the company was receiving requests for it to be done. That laziness earned Target a well deserved legal kick in the ass, sometimes its the only method that can get results.

          The handicapped of all stripes are well aware of the indifference of many able-bodied persons to thier rights, they resort to legal means of influencing/compelling service providers & businesses to comply with accessibility requirements because if they didn't the world would be closed to them. It does cost more money to have handicap accessible entryways and ramps and bathrooms in a place of business and the 'free market' would never provide a solution beyond 'suck-it chairboy' or 'woa - being blind must suck!?' - having a website that can be read by a 'reader' type browser probably costs less than constructing a handi-accessible bathroom so there is no reason not to do it.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#9 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:33 PM EDT
          Shpigford

          ...having a website that can be read by a 'reader' type browser probably costs less than constructing a handi-accessible bathroom so there is no reason not to do it.

          And your entire point has not been invalidated. Cost isn't the issue here. It's the fact that EVERYBODY has to go through "resistance" to get things done...it's just that the rest of mankind makes the best of the situation and instead, this guy decided to try to get rich off of his hardships.

          Your view that this is some sort of "advocacy" is about the same as me suing my apartment complex because I have to park 100 yards from my home and since I don't like walking they should fix that.

          Spare me.

          • 1 vote
          #9.1 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:42 PM EDT
          Shpigford

          That should be "...your entire point has been invalidated."

          (you know...I should sue Newsvine because there isn't an edit button and that's inconvenient)

            #9.2 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:44 PM EDT
            merrydeath

            this guy decided to try to get rich off of his hardships.

            I've read a number of articles on this topic, none of them have mentioned any monetary compensation to the plaintiff -- where are you getting your information?

            I did find a fairly articulate explanation of why they have chosen a lawsuit as the means to effect change in this instance though. (emphasis mine)

            A blind student at the University of California-Berkeley is suing national retailer Target over the design of the company's web site, which is allegedly unusable by the blind. Bruce Sexton Jr., who is president of the California Association of Blind Students, filed the suit in conjunction with the National Federation of the Blind. Their goal is to use the suit to bring attention to the issue of corporate web sites that do not interact well with screen reader technology, which is essential for blind web users. As the Internet becomes increasingly important for daily tasks such as buying products and online banking, blind users are afraid of being left behind—and Sexton hopes to remind companies that this is more than a niche issue.

            Finally, please spare us your attempts to compare able-bodied laziness to the hardships faced by a blind person or person with other disability. I think it is a safe assumption that your apartment complex provides parking for people in wheelchairs or with other disabilities. If they didn't, they would be open to lawsuit under the same ADA statutes as Target.

            • 4 votes
            #9.3 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:20 PM EDT
            munzilla

            We're not talking about being lazy, we're talking about whether or not there should be a LEGAL requirement for someone to create websites with this accessibility built in. It's understandable why buildings should have to be wheelchair accessible, but websites?

            And, of course he's going to gain money from this. Punitive damages.

            • 1 vote
            #9.4 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:33 PM EDT
            Jason Coleman

            Josh Pigford:

            about the same as me suing my apartment complex because I have to park 100 yards from my home and since I don't like walking they should fix that.

            It's not at all like that. People aren't blind because they don't like seeing. Equating a handicap to laziness is pretty offensive. You're post wasn't entirely without a point, but making a statement like that makes it very easy to dismiss.

            munzilla:

            It's understandable why buildings should have to be wheelchair accessible, but websites?

            It would seem that you are in favor of having the market provide for accessibility to web sites, but your building access story is a good example of why that doesn't work. Accessibility is about providing usability for a minority that requires more effort (although decidedly less in the realm of web design versus architecture, in my experience). Does a person in a wheelchair have right to use a restroom at Starbucks? What about a deaf student who's professor has traditionally given oral exams? Now, as a web designer, surely you have some appreciation for how important the ability to use the internet can be. I think everyone here at Newsvine does.

            As for requiring every site on the internet to be handicap accessible under penalty of law, that is really probably a stretch. ADA has quite a exceptions for private organizations or individuals have little or no requirements (no one's home is required to be handicap accessible and their blog certainly won't, either). I believe that smaller businesses also have exceptions and they have a number of tax benefits for providing compliance. However, Target is one of the nation's largest retailers and it is not unreasonable for a disabled person to have an expectation to be able to use their web site. The final verdict is up to a jury, of course. At this point a judge (who we can safely assume has more knowledge of the facts and the law than any of us do) has decided that the suit has enough merit to proceed.

            • 2 votes
            #9.5 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:37 PM EDT
            lvthunder

            If the law says you have to be accessible then that is what Target should have done from the get go.

            That's the point. I don't think there is a law. I don't think the ADA (American's with Disabilities Act) addresses websites at all. It doesn't make sense for a site like Target to make a site that's not accessable, but I also don't think they should be able to be sued about it. Now if it is a government web site that is completely different.

              #9.6 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:06 PM EDT
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              e.c.

              Damn. I'm a web developer. And not even a particularly good one. What sort of measures am going to have to take now?

              • 1 vote
              Reply#10 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:43 PM EDT
              merrydeath

              use Alt attributes

              Also, here's a link to the W3 Website Accessibility Initiative Guidelines and Techniques

              • 4 votes
              #10.1 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:26 PM EDT
              RichardG

              There are some useful tools that will check your pages for accessibility problems. They're not full proof, but it's a good way to start understanding the issues.

              Bobby accessibility checker.
              This version will check a page at a time, you can buy a full version, if you're feeling plush.

              TAWDIS accessibiity test.
              This is completely free, but doesn't explain itself as well as Bobby and is also much more strict. You can download a version that will scan your whole site.

              • 3 votes
              #10.2 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:58 PM EDT
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              Shpigford

              That should be "...your entire point has been invalidated."

              (you know...I should sue Newsvine because there isn't an edit button and that's inconvenient)

              • 4 votes
              Reply#11 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:43 PM EDT
              WMK

              Josh Pigford,

              You had it right the first time "...your entire point has not been invalidated."

              The cost associated with fixing Target's website to be 'reader' browser friendly would likely be negligible next to the ongoing costs of maintaining an online catalog 'store' type website and so target cannot plead that including reader browser support in their page design was 'too expensive'. The question arises then as to why they didn't go ahead and include the alt attributes and other accessibility friendly elements in their site design once it was brought to their attention that they had customers who wanted to but couldn't access their service.

              All you need to do is have a text description of items and prices in your catalog and stick it in an alt attribute for the product image links - it isn't rocket science and a clever web designer could figure out a way to parse the text from spreadsheets or the database of products or however target keeps track of images of what it is selling to generate and insert the alt text automatically - match the product ID number with description and price - boom that's it. There must be a reason why Target has refused to implement this feature after prolonged negotiation with the National Federation for The Blind (since May 2005). If I were to venture a guess, maybe they don't want web spiders and bots to crawl thier site for comparison pricing information that gets used elsewhere?

              You position seems to be that handicap people should 'suck it up, buttercup' and deal with the disappointment of a world that doesn't care enough to make life more convenient for them. I hope you can recognize the difference between convenient access and no access at all. Without the alt='More Cowbell T-shirt - S/M/L/XXXL - 12.99$' included in the image tag for that shirt in the online catalog - no blind person can shop for such clever products online. These people aren't being lazy, they are trying to overcome a barrier to their ability to access a service.

              Target may serve a useful role in advancing the rights of Blind people everywhere by continuing to fight this lawsuit. The ADA has no current legal precedent extending to online catalogs and this case if the NFD wins it should clarify an online merchants responsibility to include meaningfully labeled product images and reader type browser friendly shopping cart/check out functionality. These design requirements should in no way hinder or hamper the sighted customers shopping experience as sighted people don't have to read the alt tags if they don't want to. If Target loses the case it will become an effective requirement for all online merchants to design accessible websites (which they should be doing anyway).

              • 5 votes
              #11.1 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:26 PM EDT
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              Tim Baxter

              If you're building websites properly in the first place, meeting base level accessibility guidelines is usually trivial. Meeting higher levels can become more difficult, and there's certainly plenty of chatter over fine points that can be a chore to wade through, but meeting the basic (ADA section 508) guidelines should almost be a given for a well-made site. And since it IS part of the Americans with Disabilities Act, meeting those base requirements now rather than later is just smart.

              • 7 votes
              Reply#12 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:02 PM EDT
              Jason Coleman

              I'm not entirely sure that Section 508 would apply to commercial sales sites (and probably not Target as they likely do no business with the federal government), but I do agree that it is smart to comply from the get-go. If for no other reason, it makes your site much more compatable with any number of technologies, many which might not be in widespread use or even been invented yet.

              • 1 vote
              #12.1 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:44 PM EDT
              Tim Baxter

              Jason, you are correct. Section 508, as it is written, does not apply to non-governmental sites. However, there is a precedence for applying ADA to business as well as governmental entities, and we do live in a litigious society.

              So, I think it's wise for companies to meet the relatively trivial 508 requirements because:
              a) it's good business to not turn people away
              b) it's good PR to be a good corporate citizen
              c) it's good for the long-term health of the company to avoid potential lawsuits, especially when doing so means no significant business impact
              and, as you said
              d) because building the damn thing right in the first place opens the doors for other emerging technologies that rely on a well-built site.

              Again, complying with all the demands of the accessibility crowd can be nearly impossible in a production environment (as I'm sure you know, others have outlined those problems better than I could), but meeting 508 is almost a no-brainer, if the site's being built right in the first place.

              • 4 votes
              #12.2 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:24 PM EDT
              evano

              Section 508 has nothing to do with private companies. However, it is a pretty well-defined standard, so many companies use it as a guideline for accessibility. However, this guy is suing under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) which absolutely does apply to private businesses which provide any kind of public accommodations. It is modeled on the 1964 Civil Rights Act which banned racial discrimination in any form, by any business, religious, educational or governmental institution.

              The problem is, the ADA was written in 1990 and signed into law by the first President Bush, long before the Internet had become a major part of everyday life for most Americans. The ADA mentions absolutely nothing about the Internet, restricting its language to modifying physical "places" for accessibility by the disabled. There have been a couple of court cases which have interpreted the original act to include online commerce, but in the 16 years since the legislation was signed, there have been no significant attempts to amend the law to either include or exclude the Internet from the scope of the ADA. Courts have stepped in to interpret the Act in a couple of jurisdictions with the effect that two of the Federal Appeals Courts have conflicting decisions, which generally means that the Supreme Court will step in to make a final decision. Maybe the NFB is expecting this to be the case that goes all the way to the top.

              • 4 votes
              #12.3 - Tue Sep 12, 2006 1:01 AM EDT
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              Zaki

              instead of making a lawsuit, they ought to write to their representatives, to their senators, to their blah blah blah, and demand some kind of universal type of auto-code for websites (a standard if you will), so that everybody follows it, then everybody's website is available to the blind.

              Blind or not, this lawsuit is utter bull@!$%#, and exposes the culture we live in, where can we sue anybody for anything.

              Except the Govt. (badumpish)

              • 2 votes
              Reply#13 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:53 PM EDT
              indecent

              The public shouldnt expect a corporation to be responsible on all counts. There are plenty of websites from large corporations that are not accessible to the blind. Its not a law, unlike wheelchair accessible stores.

              Like Josh said, he took the path of most resistance - and most money. Piggish damn americans. Im beginning to be very ashamed of some fellow citizens.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#14 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:16 PM EDT
              RichardG

              This isn't the first lawsuit taken against a inaccessible website. The Australian Bruce Maquire filed a lawsuit against the Sydney Olympics in 1999. He wone.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#15 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:08 PM EDT
              lauhal

              Sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees. Whom do I sue?

              • 1 vote
              Reply#16 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:34 PM EDT
              JohnEEGeek

              Sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees. Whom do I sue?

              You probably have a case... You could probably sue the !

                #16.1 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:15 PM EDT
                JohnEEGeek

                Whoops. Didn't realize the link would get stripped.
                I meant you could probably sue the Forest Service (www.fs.fed.us)

                • 1 vote
                #16.2 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:17 PM EDT
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                Ansab

                In other news, the internet gets sued for being misleading and full of lies.

                  Reply#17 - Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:50 PM EDT
                  WMK

                  People who think this is frivolous,

                  These are not some venal ambulance chasers looking to cash in on a slip-n-fall, or defraud an insurance company, or make an easy fortune by fleecing a big pockets corporation. It is interesting that many people can't see past selfish greed as a motive behind any lawsuit filed by anyone.

                  What kind of koolaid are you people drinking that you can't wrap your head around the idea that some legal challenges are for the purposes of improving and refining the rules we as a society operate under. The Womens Sufferage, the ADA and the Civil Rights amendments didn't happen because people wrote thier congresman a letter asking them nicely to change the constitution (and the status quo) so as to explicitly define and protect thier rights under the law of the United States. All of these things happened as a result of principled activism, advocacy and legal challenges made in the name of what is right versus what is wrong ultimately prevailing upon the wisdom of our representative legislators to codify right over wrong in order to enhance and perfect our society. Justness and Justice are elastic and ever evolving qualities in our world constantly being challenged and amended in the courts.

                  The status quo of today can be very different from what came before and to change it requires overcoming a great deal of social inertia and with respect to comments seen in this thread a clear amount of prejudice and hostility towards people with disabilities. The emergence of online vendors and commercial websites as a vast and thriving venue bringing sellers and buyers together without much geographical constraint is a shift in the staus quo of modern consumerism. Some would be consumers require a minor web design feature be implemented on websites to enable thier participation in the new status quo. They tried asking nicely for months for what they wanted and it didn't get them anywhere so they launcehd a lawsuit not as a sleazy plan to get rich but to get access to a service. If they win the suit the legal precedent gets set that says vendors are obligated to design some acessibility features into their websites helping all blind people (this is bad how?), it extends the spirit of the ADA to encompass virtual business as well as brick and mortar. To me this lawsuit defines a meritorious point of principle and those of you who don't get that need to think beyond what would motivate YOU to sue someone and look to who is suing whom and why.

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                  Reply#18 - Tue Sep 12, 2006 11:26 AM EDT
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